Lowered resist profile : Mhmm, lower resists but better buffers than HAC. Or current resists with the same buffers HACs have. It's one of the two, else you're making them really worse than HACs.

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Someone mentioned a cloaky logi fitting... Probably too OP.

Short range remote repping fleets perform poorly when jumping through gates. Giving T3s more range and a cloaking device, even if nerfing remote rep amount below the T1 level, would be OP do to high resists of T3s.

IMO, t3 should be on par with HACs, but with 5 skill bonuses instead of 2. The combination of many bonuses at the same time will be enough to make them desirable, they don't need to be pushed up to CS or BS level.

You mean so they can likely waste 3+ bonuses whenever they have a fit specialized for combat or scanning or whatever?

You know a ship like that which nobody wants to use?

Nestor. Look at it. Look at that trash heap! 5 role bonuses, 2 skill level bonuses, and of those bonuses, 4 of 5 are going to wasted unless you use it as some ****** up spider tanking hacking scanning non cloaking armor PvE BS. Please never propose that t3's get the Nestor treatment.

The issue with Swiss Army knifes is that they are a tourist trap item. By trying to do too much, you end up with a much lower quality on whatever it is you actually want to get done. Nearly any tool on one is much lower quality at what it tries to do than even a cheap version of a single purpose tool

2) I dont get it why people want T1 resists. They are not T1, they are not T2, they are T3. Why do you want to nerf a 500 mil, T3 ship so it's worse than a 200 mil T2 HAC is beyond me. Coz its versitile and can change subs? Great the Nestor is also versitile. You want one for 1,5b?

Or they are over tanked because they are over tanked, looking at the augmented plating sub from the proteus.
Base HP is 3650, then add t2 resists, then +10% per level.

What 3650 Armor Hp on a cruiser? That's way to much most advanced cruisers have about 2000 armor HP.

If they base HP was actually where it is supposed to be in cruiser levels the T2 resists would be fine as would the augmented plating.

Nah, might as well not bother with T3s and go with HACs/Logis/Recons/whatever.

Most people are fine with 100mn AB fits because of the loss of several rig slots for ACR's and agility, which any reasonable person realizes is a massive drawback for simply not losing your prop mod to a scram.

I have no need for ewar bonuses on my HAC, I need combat bonuses.

As I have said many times, it's not the power level that I'm opposed to, it's modifying usefulness without changing the ease of production in order to maintain demand. Remember back when for a brief time when supercarriers could be killed by a single drive by doomsday? The cost/weakness level of them was so out of proportion that everyone was basically hiding their supercarriers while waiting for CCP to fix them. That is exactly what would happen to a t2 level t3 ship that still costs 500 mil to produce, and a week of retraining each time you lose them.

Scrapping T3s to HAC level, even just on EHP, would make them worthless, they cost 2-3x more, lose 4 days of training when one is blown up, and a lot of HACs still suck.

If T3s cost as much as a HAC and didn't' have an SP loss, why would we need T3s? Or why would we need HACs? One of the two would become useless.

Most of the people who do have experience flying them or flying against them are arguing for a more moderate rebalance combined with buffs to unused subs because they understand the very situational application of t3's and thus their discussion is based around the actual situations in which people fly them. Stats do not exist in a vacuum, ships need to be balanced by looking at how well they perform in actual combat, not by a hypothetical sitting at zero 1v1 death match.

T3s are currently no better at a T2 ship's specialize job than any T2 ship is. HACs are not at all specialized, as was stated as a main issue during the HAC rebalance. T3s and HACs can basically fulfill the same role, just with different advantages, cost and SP security vs ewar, tank and whatnot.

Citation: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263720

Nerfing a T3's tank and increasing its sig at the same time greatly compromises its ability to survive. In a ship that costs 400m+ to replace AND 4 days of training time when its lost, if it can't tank then it won't be used.

The small sig radius is extremely important due to the prevalence of blapping dreads in fights, where anything larger than a cruiser is easy game. The low mass and high tank is important due to the limitations of mass on WH connections, where shoving 25 BC though a hole and back takes 400 million mass, but 25 cruisers takes 250 (figures include 1 1600 plate on each type), and you need to get the most out of every ship you can.

Hot damn. Look at that tank, look at that gank, look at that ewar!

Look at that 350 DPS at 10km against an ABing BS.

Blasters man. Never, ever, try and compare paper blaster DPS to anything besides another blaster ship. 3.7k Optimal, 50% dps at 9.3km, useless at 14.9km.

Does the blaster Proteus tank better by far then the Diemos? Yeah, it does.

Is a blaster Diemos a steaming sack of ****? Yeah, it is.

So you can't even fit the proteus without faction mods , it has as much dps as a deimos and can't hit any target wich can hold range, neuts out even wth neuting drones and gets ecm'ed by any ship fiting a ecm module... . Doesn't sound overpowered... .

Proteus gets 800 DPS and 150k EHP with perfect skills, close range ammo, and faction magstabs, oh no! A t2 fit Shield Talos can get 1500, and let's not even get into the ridiculous combination of gank and tank that is a shield Vindicator.

People keep comparing apples to oranges, and then comparing only the very best apples to the very worst oranges, then declaring that all apples are better than oranges and something must be done!

Gotcha :) So you want to balance EVE around station games? Better nerf the Vindicator and carriers too.

Nah man, nerf dreads. That Tank, that gank, ridiculous.

But skill loss is part of the balance.

Risk reward.

Hate to break it to you, but a Vindy gets 165k. Negligible difference.

Would you like to balance all ships around station camping?

Question, I would appreciate an answer. Since T3s are OP and need to be nerfed,
Other than the blaster proteus, and the 100mn Tengu, for which I already suggested fixes, what other T3s are OP?

A vindi doesn't need that much ehp, it can hit harder with longer range and it webs everything down.
A blaster proteus never can get close engough on a vindi to do any damage.